I am not racist against anyone, but those that are dishonest just steal from the site and members who are. And they have no place as members of any site if they do.

Most PTRs and PTCs ban China from even joining. Why? There are a lot of cheats from China who violate the TOS. Every country has those who are dishonest, but China tops the list of those who try to hide it.

TE owners have to make sure that all members are abiding by the terms of service. The more members there are, the more time consuming that job is. In the end, all members benefit from the removal of cheating members. Serious surfers want people to view their sites, not have their hard-earned credits wasted by autobots. TE owners are taking care of their business by searching for and booting cheaters.

The mass majority of cheating members happen to have IP addresses that identify their physical location as China. The reference to “Chinese surfers” is meant to identify surfers who reside in China, not surfers of Chinese descent.

Being of Chinese descent, however, I take the reference to “Chinese surfers” the same way Solomon does. It always hits me in the gut as a racist remark when I first hear it, but then I remember that it is not meant the way it sounds. Whenever it is said in a conference room, I make a joke out of it by saying, “Yeah, those damned Chinese.” When I say that, everyone in the room realizes that “Chinese surfers” sounds pretty derogatory.

It all comes down to HOW you say things, and who is listening.

Thanks Solomon, for a thought-provoking post.

As said earlier, I understand that many surfers from Asian countries are surfing machines that have no interest in joining any programs. But I do hope for any business, that an entire race is not singled out as being poor quality.

First off I would like to point out that I do not block any country, but also I would like people to just step back and look at it this way.

I think calling it racism is a bit much and that maybe we should be stepping back and looking at it in a different way.

It takes a lot of time finding and constantly deleting bad surfers or cheaters and I will admit 90% of them come from other China.

Now with 3 exchanges I spend and my helpers spend in total about an hour each day on this. Now if I put a cost on time and a price on this i would say about $40 a day. Now the income from members from China is so so low (In fact I think I only have 2 upgrades from China) that it would make real business sence to ban chinese IP addresses from using the programs.
That would make me $1200 better off each month.
If it was your site and you could save $1200 a month would you not do it?

If I had a chain of sports shops and one country I traded in made a loss and a fairly big loss and say 90% of my problems (Example stolen goods as this could compare to stolen credits that cheaters steal) then I would close all my stores in that country. Would that then also be racism.

Also I would like to point out that lots of businesses do not deal with certain countries. A lot of websites will not let people from different countries join.

What about services that are only available in certain countries.

I just think a lot of the time racism is used when really it may not be.

Should it also not be the business owners right to decide who he trades with.

The main factor here is do we really not owe it to the genuine members to provide the best service. If cheaters account for 5% or even sometimes as high as 10% of your page views. Then you found out that by banning China the exchange owner could save you 90% of those lost credits would you not want them too?

Just thought id ask and see what people think.

Just a thought

I personally would never ban a whole country, I’m against banning at all wherever possible, but I am aware how much time and effort a traffic exchange owner can lose if they are hit by tag-teams or ptp cheats.

For a part-time owner (for example) their business can, literally, be ruined.

As I say, I don’t agree with blanket bans but please don’t be too quick to condemn those do. In this instance, and others, I am certain that the motivation is practical, nothing more.

I do not participate, nor know of any others, who participate in this sort of activity.